No Miracast for N10 stock update

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From the updated Anandtech N4 review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/4

"...at present there really aren’t any Miracast standardized receivers. I tried a Netgear model which was pre-certification but couldn’t get the Nexus 4 to attach, although I’m told Netgear will update the NTV300SL to support Miracast by mid-December. I’d expect that the rest of their lineup will be ready around then.

"Until we have Miracast sinks everywhere there’s really no way for me to test how this works on the Nexus 4. The Nexus 10 doesn’t include Miracast support, I’m guessing because of memory bandwidth reasons possibly involved in scaling and encoding 2560x1600."
 
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As far as I know, only Netgear PTV3000 is pre-certified. Has anyone tried with that?
 
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No Miracast in N7 3G (or plain N7) either:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/googles-nexus-7-gets-a-fresh-coat-of-paint-for-the-holidays/

"Android 4.2 on the Nexus 7 has no major surprises: all of the features we mentioned in our review are here, with the exception of Miracast (which is only supported on the Nexus 4 for the time being) and the new camera features (which are present if you install a third-party camera launcher for the front-facing camera). Multiuser support and lock screen widgets, two features that weren't ready in time for our main review, are also here, but we'll be examining them more closely in a separate article."
 
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Miracast will be available after the update. Which happen last night. Now all you need is a receiver to do the handshaking. The netgear one would do and after it is on you wireless network you would just stream to it like you would a windows media extender. By 2013, so early next year tvs once they start calling them smart tvs :cyclops: will have this feature built into it. Here we come google tv. wouldnt that be sweet to have a nexus 60 inch tv?? or bigger.

n4, n7, n10, ntv, n60 maybe?? i see it happening.
 
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Just to be clear to any readers out there, whether or not there will be Miracast support for the Nexus 10 is unknown and anyone stating otherwise is speculating. What is known is that there will be Miracast for the Nexus 4, but no official reports from google have come out for the Nexus 10.
 
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The hardware support for wireless display looks to be there

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34038283&postcount=19
Copied from Exynos 5250 thread -
"Came across this while researching Exynos 5250. Looks like the hardware is very capable to handle the WQXGA resolution with memory bandwidth and power to spare. This white paper also mentions the support for 1080p 60fps wireless display. So I hope Miracast will be reality as well, just Google needs to step up and utilize the hardware to its full potential. Its an interesting read none the less..
Sorry, can not post links yet.. replace _ with . and then try.

www_samsung_com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/ Enjoy_the_Ultimate_WQXGA_Solution_with_Exynos_5_Du al_WP.pdf

If the link does not work, google exynos 5 dual white paper."
 
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gserp4sox

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borchgrevink said:
Great! Let's hope!
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I phoned Google Tech Support this morning and asked if the Nexus 10 would have Miracast functionality "out of the box".

Tech guy couldn't answer for sure and promised to respond back to me later via email.

5 hours later, amazingly (to me anyway), I received an email back from him stating that he got clarification on this question and that, yes, Miracast is good to go "out of the box" on the Nexus 10.

I still won't believe it until someone with a unit confirms it. ;)
 
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Miracast is basically just a superset of WiFi Direct, doesn't require any additional hardware on the broadcast device...if it can use WiFi Direct, it can do Miracast with the proper software.

So I'm not worried about it being on the N10, if the software isn't there just yet, it will come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
 
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Yeah, I had called them and asked them too. He had no idea what Miracast was and so I explained it to him. He said he'll have to ask his supervisors and put me on hold. He came back and said "Yeah, you can stream and watch movies on your tv from your tablet and stuff." I said, "Yeah, but specifically Miracast...Does the Nexus 10 support Miracast?" He then said that's more of a hardware question and I'd need to call Asus. Asus huh? Interesting. Are they taking Samsung support calls now. I just ended it there knowing I wasn't going to get anywhere.

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Croak said:
Miracast is basically just a superset of WiFi Direct, doesn't require any additional hardware on the broadcast device...if it can use WiFi Direct, it can do Miracast with the proper software.

So I'm not worried about it being on the N10, if the software isn't there just yet, it will come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
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My understanding is that while the capability might be there if Wifi-Direct is there, it still doesn't mean that it will be Miracast certified and thus might not be supported by Android.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/19/wi...certification-just-dont-expect-apple-to-play/
 
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FWIW, I have a Galaxy Nexus running Jelly Bean 4.1.1, which supports Wi-Fi Direct. I also have a Netgear PTV3000 WiDi/Miracast capable adapter. My phone sees the adapter, but there is no mirroring to a display.
 
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I'm now of the belief that the reason we haven't heard something official from Google is because the Nexus 10 has been submitted for Miracast Certification but is still under review. Makes complete sense. They can't say it supports Miracast until it passes Miracast Certification. They don't want to say it doesn't because they think they'll ultimately get the certification. So for now they just stay silent. Whereas the Nexus 4 has already completed Miracast Certification so that one they could officially announce. Perhaps the same reason they've been silent on the Nexus 7, which being that it has a Tegra 3 in it and Nvidia says Tegra 3's have built in support for Miracast and are working towards certification, should mean that theoretically it is capable.
 
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MSmithXDA said:
I'm now of the belief that the reason we haven't heard something official from Google is because the Nexus 10 has been submitted for Miracast Certification but is still under review. Makes complete sense. They can't say it supports Miracast until it passes Miracast Certification. They don't want to say it doesn't because they think they'll ultimately get the certification. So for now they just stay silent. Whereas the Nexus 4 has already completed Miracast Certification so that one they could officially announce. Perhaps the same reason they've been silent on the Nexus 7, which being that it has a Tegra 3 in it and Nvidia says Tegra 3's have built in support for Miracast and are working towards certification, should mean that theoretically it is capable.
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That actually makes a ton of sense. I also read somewhere that Netgear is working on updating the software on its PushTV3000 to support the Nexus devices that have Wifi Direct/Miracast. They hope to have that done by next week, apparently.
 
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    hugeabscess
    Miracast Works At Both N7 & N10!

    Ken, you have done it!

    I now have miracast enabled with my Nexus 10 working together with allshare cast dongle!

    For all of those articled "N7 and N10 cannot do miracast".. They are not correct.

    BOTH N7 AND N10 can do miracast! :laugh::laugh:

    sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-21-12-38-15.png
    sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-21-12-38-36.png
    sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-21-12-38-47.png
    sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-21-12-39-02.png
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    s107ken
    ok, that's a very good info!

    documentation update!
    add N10 to Source Device.
    github.com/kensuke/How-to-Miracast-on-AOSP/wiki


    i'm afraid of your tablet bricked,
    everyone will be happy thanks to your challenge
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    s107ken
    ok, thanks a useful info.
    i understood N10 problem, but i do not understand for solution.


    My Nexus 7 Screen Capture

    Wi-Fi Off
    htt ps://ww w.dropbox.com/s/w0vmxu5vor2bcez/device-2013-07-20-190614.png

    Wi-Fi On, Wireless Display Off. Wireless Display On/Off Switch Appears <-- N10 invisible!
    htt ps://ww w.dropbox.com/s/rqwggt6rrrb01vv/device-2013-07-20-190726.png

    Wi-Fi On, Wireless Display On
    htt ps://ww w.dropbox.com/s/dhqstscexf3j0yb/device-2013-07-20-190743.png


    sample wfd info. this is my AllShare Cast Dongle
    htt ps://ww w.dropbox.com/s/52guve2v4kr8w14/device-2013-07-20-190828.png

    wfd info is null. because N10 W-D setting off
    htt ps://ww w.dropbox.com/s/oy5eya42r476tt3/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-33-14.png


    problem is one of the following:
    Settings App, source code or layout xml file,
    N10 higher resolution,
    my build process


    i'm starting to check the Settings app source code.
    htt ps://and roid.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Settings/+/android-4.2.2_r1.2/src/com/android/settings/wfd/WifiDisplaySettings.java


    i'm considering that Settings app fix or create a Wireless Display On/Off Switch app
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    hugeabscess
    s107ken said:
    ok, check the status of patched N10.

    AllShare Cast or other Miracast supported devices that you have, power on,
    N10 go to "Wireless Display", "SEARCH FOR DISPLAYS", nothing found?
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    Hi Ken,

    Since I havent posted 10 post yet I am unable post outside links. To see the screenshots, please just edit the URLs below, remove the whitespace.

    When WIFI turned off "Wireless display is disabled beause WIFI is off."
    htt p://ww w.sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-19-02.png

    With WIFI enabled "To see devices, turn wireless display on" (both if connected to an SSID or not). AS you can see there are no option to turn wireless display on.
    htt p://ww w.sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-19-26.png

    I have also tried what you wrote me on Youtube:
    1. "try requestPeers()" appears? if no, wi-fi direct devices not found near by N10.
    I find [TV]UE46ES6300 and Dongle-7BE413. The TV is not Miracast compatible, only wifi direct. Dongle-7BE413 is the Samsung Allshare Cast which is Miracast compatible, I am able to connect to Allshare cast with my Samsung S4 9505

    2. device info contain correct wfdinfo? such as WFD enabled, DeviceInfo, CtrlPort and MAXThroughput. or null?
    I dont know where to find WFD etc, please find attached screenshots with additional information:
    htt p://ww w.sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-33-14.png
    htt p://ww w.sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-33-26.png
    htt p://ww w.sharedwisdom.net/n10/Screenshot_2013-07-20-09-33-59.png

    :)
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    e.mote
    e.mote
    No Miracast in N7 3G (or plain N7) either:

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/googles-nexus-7-gets-a-fresh-coat-of-paint-for-the-holidays/

    "Android 4.2 on the Nexus 7 has no major surprises: all of the features we mentioned in our review are here, with the exception of Miracast (which is only supported on the Nexus 4 for the time being) and the new camera features (which are present if you install a third-party camera launcher for the front-facing camera). Multiuser support and lock screen widgets, two features that weren't ready in time for our main review, are also here, but we'll be examining them more closely in a separate article."
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