so if the 3620 is not capable of recording 720p, and motorola wont make a big deal out of it, why do they come out with it? and that defy+ roms will be compatible with the defy. i dont think so. first of all, none of the leaked gb roms work with a green lensed phone. second of all, if the 3620 really has no gpu acceleration, than theres no way moto would put this cpu in defy+ (a 3640 is much more likely), and knowing motorola, they will prevent us from installing the new roms on a defy (surely somebody will do some hacking and make it work, but it wont be official)...
Motorola defy+ is Coming
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Imho, I think the info of defy + that is out there its just a way for moto to get feedbacks if it is going to be saleable based on the reaction of people. If it is good, they proceed, if not, back to the drawing board.
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I don't think older Defy models will be excluded from Gingerbread update. There is no 720p recording by default in leaked GB roms for Defy+. I think that because Defy capabilities have been downplayed in the past (3610 vs 3630 debate) none of us are getting 720p and "green lense" drivers are simply not done yet.
if green lens drivers are not done, than why doesnt somebody do something about it? this lens is capable of waay more than we use it, just needs the right software... and imho the silver colored defy+ with purpleish buttons will look just ugly.
I hope they don't make the same mistakes with the microphone. 
Defy is a nice phone but the microphone is bad. So if the defy+ gets a better mircophone I'll buy it.
Defy is a nice phone but the microphone is bad. So if the defy+ gets a better mircophone I'll buy it.as convincing as it might be, I'm sure I won't replace my Defy with Defy+ .
Although I loved my Defy, if motorola is only going to buff a "little bit" of defy's performance, I might as well just bought a possibly better phone, rather than just a slight performance boost :/
Although I loved my Defy, if motorola is only going to buff a "little bit" of defy's performance, I might as well just bought a possibly better phone, rather than just a slight performance boost :/
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Defy+ ROMs are already out there. There were 4 (maybe more, I stopped counting at the 4th) Defy GB leaks, and since the third one, the model is identified as MB526 (which, according to our clues, is the model # for Defy+). Also, the version # for swype in these MB526 ROMs shows a "DefyPlus" after it, showing third parties are already aware of the release and adapting their software for it. Plus, I don't have to show you that all the leaked GB ROMs so far are fully compatible with Bayers' equipped Defy (MKA red lens). Last, but not least, just a piece of opinion here: the CPU used in Defy+ will be the same 3630 already used in the usual Defy. The differences: it'll be factory overclocked at 1 GHz and will be marketed as a 3620 (while our current model is marketed as 3610).
Just that: if we ACTUALLY do have a 3630 equipping our phones, and yet Motorola says it's a 3610, it's MUCH more likely that they keep using the 3630 (but saying it's a 3620) than actually spending their time and money adapting a 3620 to Defy's mobo. Since battery has almost no work to be done (no need for complex drivers and stuff), it's child's play to get a new battery the phone. I would risk to say that Defy+ batteries will be fully compatible with the usual Defy, thus leaving us with the paintjob being the ONLY actual difference. If we're lucky, they'll delay the Defy+ launch to early 2012, and we'll get an unlocked bootloader, at most.
That's an interesting theory, fake leaks has been widely used by industry to avail and set tendencies for its products. Anyway, if my source is correct, Moto won't spend their time hearing to tech-savvy hackers, and'll just put cheaper materials in Defy+ (what may - it's not confirmed yet - reduce the device's price). Following this line of though, they may also drop the "lifeproof" feature and use less protection in it.
Workarounds for making GB work on SoC-based Defys were already released here in XDA, it's just a matter of recompilling some libraries. Obviously, they can't record 720p because of a hardware limitation, but there is no actual reason for them not being able to get GB.
Even though 720p is possible for Bayer-based Defys, it's NOT an official feature, and, since it has been nowhere seen in the leaked GB ROMs, I personally don't think they'll include this in Defy+ as well (but I might be wrong).
Just finishing the issue: since Motorola does not officially recognizes the differences between SoC and Bayer-based Defys (the word is that they're all the same model, with same model # and stuff), it is very hard that Motorola enables 720p for red lensed Defys, even if they get GB, simply because they are probably not going to admit they made two different phones saying they were just one. So, in this case, the only possibility is that they release Defy+ with 720p recording (since they're freely admitting that Defy+ is a different model, based on the Phone Model in the latest leaked GBs and on the Swype version # I mentioned above), and say "no previous version of Defy is capable of recording at 720p at all" (even though we know it's a lie, what can we do?).
Not officially, but XDA people already did that. Check this thread for FroYo and this thread for GB.
About the looks: if you haven't checked it out yet, racca's posted a pic of the new model, here it is:
Indeed, ugly.
That's the point. Until a totally new version (IMO the features should be, at least: dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM, 8 GB internal storage, 8 MP camera with 720p or 1080p recording - screen is OK, but a yet higher DPI could be applied, just like Atrix's display) is released, there'll be no point at buying a new Defy to replace the current one. The only actual differences will be battery and outer case, which can be easily bough at a Motorola reseller.
P.S.: I just set the specs I expect for an actually new Defy so high because I think it'll only - if ever - be released within 1.5-2 years, and those specs will probably be those of a medium-to-high-end phone (the segment in which Defy is placed).
Also, IMHO, the only common point between our current Defy and this one I expect to be released in a couple of years is the name and the "lifeproofness". It has no major design solutions which are so notable that they must be maintained in possible future versions (i.e.: Droid/Milestone has an "unique" design which allows one who has some knowledge of the matter to easily recognize it - these design "idiosyncrasies" were taken to Droid2/Milestone 2 and, now, Droid 3/Milestone 3 - put all of them side-by-side and you'll clearly see that they are related models). Honestly, I can hardly see, in the front pannel, differences between Defy and Atrix (I know there are some - like the front-facing camera, the bigger and better screen, and the lack of covers for phone/MicroUSB jack, in Atrix -, but one can't spot them that easily at first sight).
K3n H1mur4
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Confirming. Just Google it, several german (got a greek, too) stores will pop out with "Defy+" showing.
yuk...it looks so gayish!
white and purple is a very bad combination..i thought hundreds of people are involved in designing a phone..they came up with this???
white and purple is a very bad combination..i thought hundreds of people are involved in designing a phone..they came up with this???
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4According to Racca (a member here at XDA who has contacts with Motorola distributors), Defy+ will be pretty much the same as the model we have by now. The differences will be aesthetic (new cover: the "outer ring" - where the buttons and screws are located - wil be silver, with bordeaux or purple buttons/battery locker - screen pannel, the phone jack cover, MicroUSB cover and battery cover will remain black), and it'll have a slightly better battery (1700mAh). Also, yeah, our Defys all have OMAP 3630 (it's recognized many times in pieces of code, logs and also in RSD Lite), even though Moto says it's a 3610. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about this. Since we can NOT install ROMs made for phones with different hardware, no matter how slight are those differences (i.e.: Droid 2/Milestone 2 is almost identical to Defy in its inner parts - same screen, same camera module, same RAM modules... Except for the obvious differences, like the keyboard - which the pairs Quench/Cliq and T-Mo G1/MyTouch 3G shows that's not a hindrance to install ROMs, since they have same hardware, with Quench and MT3G lacking the keyboard and being able to receive Cliq and G1 ROMs - they're nearly identical, but some key components - like the mobo - are different) without some adaptation (many Defy ROMs are adapted Droid 2/Milestone 2 ROMs, with drivers changed and some pieces of coded edited to allow the flashing), the possibility to flash a SBF that is meant for Defy+ in a normal Defy without ANY modding is a clear proof, IMHO, that they also share the same CPU.
So, just to sum up: Defy+ is NOT going a new model (for our purposes). They'll just give it a new battery and some paintjob, and sell it as a whole new phone. Since we know our CPU can handle up to 1.35 GHz (not THAT stable, but I'm running my Defy at 1.3 without problems for a couple of weeks, now), 1GHz at a new model won't be anything new to us. Since we know the CPU is an OMAP 3630, there's no sense for us to believe they'll actually put a 3620 on Defy+. Finally, since the ROMs meant for Defy+ are completely flashable WITHOUT ANY WORKOUTS NEEDED (just plug the phone in RSD Lite and flash the SBF) in the current Defy, I think we have reasons to believe no actual upgrade is going to happen. Racca also told that they won't make any noise about the "new" model (which is good, because the Defy dev community would get REALLY upset if they announced it as a "whole new" replacement for the current Defy).
P.S.: Related, but not meaningful: Racca also said that, along with all the new mid and high end phones that Motorola released in the past 2 weeks, they were considering to equip Defy+ with 1GB RAM - which would be nice, but still, at least for me, not a reason to get a new device.
P.S. 2: In this page from official Motorola website, they say that Defy has a 3610 CPU, and PowerVR SGX 530. But, in this document from Texas Instruments (manufacturer of the OMAP processors), they say clearly that the 3610 has NO graphics accelerator, which is available only in 3620 and higher models. Also, Defy has IVA (Image, video and audio acceleration) 2+ (since it can record and playback 720p coded at h.264 - even though it's only available with hacking, the simple fact that it is available states that it is NO hardware limitation), which is not available in 3610 NOR in 3620, leaving us with 3630 as the only option of CPU for the Defy.3
Defy+ ROMs are already out there. There were 4 (maybe more, I stopped counting at the 4th) Defy GB leaks, and since the third one, the model is identified as MB526 (which, according to our clues, is the model # for Defy+). Also, the version # for swype in these MB526 ROMs shows a "DefyPlus" after it, showing third parties are already aware of the release and adapting their software for it. Plus, I don't have to show you that all the leaked GB ROMs so far are fully compatible with Bayers' equipped Defy (MKA red lens). Last, but not least, just a piece of opinion here: the CPU used in Defy+ will be the same 3630 already used in the usual Defy. The differences: it'll be factory overclocked at 1 GHz and will be marketed as a 3620 (while our current model is marketed as 3610).
Just that: if we ACTUALLY do have a 3630 equipping our phones, and yet Motorola says it's a 3610, it's MUCH more likely that they keep using the 3630 (but saying it's a 3620) than actually spending their time and money adapting a 3620 to Defy's mobo. Since battery has almost no work to be done (no need for complex drivers and stuff), it's child's play to get a new battery the phone. I would risk to say that Defy+ batteries will be fully compatible with the usual Defy, thus leaving us with the paintjob being the ONLY actual difference. If we're lucky, they'll delay the Defy+ launch to early 2012, and we'll get an unlocked bootloader, at most.
That's an interesting theory, fake leaks has been widely used by industry to avail and set tendencies for its products. Anyway, if my source is correct, Moto won't spend their time hearing to tech-savvy hackers, and'll just put cheaper materials in Defy+ (what may - it's not confirmed yet - reduce the device's price). Following this line of though, they may also drop the "lifeproof" feature and use less protection in it.
Workarounds for making GB work on SoC-based Defys were already released here in XDA, it's just a matter of recompilling some libraries. Obviously, they can't record 720p because of a hardware limitation, but there is no actual reason for them not being able to get GB.
Even though 720p is possible for Bayer-based Defys, it's NOT an official feature, and, since it has been nowhere seen in the leaked GB ROMs, I personally don't think they'll include this in Defy+ as well (but I might be wrong).
Just finishing the issue: since Motorola does not officially recognizes the differences between SoC and Bayer-based Defys (the word is that they're all the same model, with same model # and stuff), it is very hard that Motorola enables 720p for red lensed Defys, even if they get GB, simply because they are probably not going to admit they made two different phones saying they were just one. So, in this case, the only possibility is that they release Defy+ with 720p recording (since they're freely admitting that Defy+ is a different model, based on the Phone Model in the latest leaked GBs and on the Swype version # I mentioned above), and say "no previous version of Defy is capable of recording at 720p at all" (even though we know it's a lie, what can we do?).
Not officially, but XDA people already did that. Check this thread for FroYo and this thread for GB.
About the looks: if you haven't checked it out yet, racca's posted a pic of the new model, here it is:
Indeed, ugly.
That's the point. Until a totally new version (IMO the features should be, at least: dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM, 8 GB internal storage, 8 MP camera with 720p or 1080p recording - screen is OK, but a yet higher DPI could be applied, just like Atrix's display) is released, there'll be no point at buying a new Defy to replace the current one. The only actual differences will be battery and outer case, which can be easily bough at a Motorola reseller.
P.S.: I just set the specs I expect for an actually new Defy so high because I think it'll only - if ever - be released within 1.5-2 years, and those specs will probably be those of a medium-to-high-end phone (the segment in which Defy is placed).
Also, IMHO, the only common point between our current Defy and this one I expect to be released in a couple of years is the name and the "lifeproofness". It has no major design solutions which are so notable that they must be maintained in possible future versions (i.e.: Droid/Milestone has an "unique" design which allows one who has some knowledge of the matter to easily recognize it - these design "idiosyncrasies" were taken to Droid2/Milestone 2 and, now, Droid 3/Milestone 3 - put all of them side-by-side and you'll clearly see that they are related models). Honestly, I can hardly see, in the front pannel, differences between Defy and Atrix (I know there are some - like the front-facing camera, the bigger and better screen, and the lack of covers for phone/MicroUSB jack, in Atrix -, but one can't spot them that easily at first sight).1Silver Defy+ has appeared in several store databases as model with number SM3176AP5R8.
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