HTC One delayed in several markets, camera sensor manufacturing to blame

BoneXDA · Mar 8, 2013

KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.

"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.

This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005

-]Megacharge[- · Mar 8, 2013

BoneXDA said:
KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.

"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.

This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005

You're too late. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=38852201#post38852201

Although it's a bit worrying, I really don't think it's worthy of it's own thread, otherwise I would have made a thread for it already.

hamdir · Mar 8, 2013

BoneXDA said:
KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.

"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.

This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005

the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers

you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop

Shasarak · Mar 8, 2013

This does worry me a bit. What concerns me most is not the restricted number of units, it's the implications to the components in the phones that do sell.

If most of the camera sensors that come off the production line are faulty, does that mean that the ones that are judged to be okay are only barely in spec? Will this lead to high failure rates a, few months after purchase, or needing to return 2 or 3 handsets in a row till you get a "good" one? Can you even be sure if it is "good" or that the retailer will acknowledge the problem with the first one as genuine issue? That's the kind of hassle I can do without.

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Oh, and a couple of reviews have found photos blurred in the lower part of the image. I wonder if this is why?

BoneXDA · Mar 8, 2013

hamdir said:
the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers

you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop

You surely don't believe HTC doesn't wanna sell it's flagships to the masses and make huge profit, and content to almost go bust with the limited buyer range, I mean that's just ridiculous. They didn't contact 185 carriers worldwide to hand out only a handful of handhelds - like with blockbuster movies, smartphone launch is the most important time to sell, and manufacturing problems could have disastrous effects as HTC bets everything on the Beautiful One.

Shasarak · Mar 8, 2013

Also worth saying that HTC has form when it comes to shipping less than perfect hardware and not admitting to it. Most HD2's sold in the month or two after launch had an absolutely galloping case of "pink spot" in the camera. After a couple of months they quietly fixed the problem, and subsequent handsets were okay; but they never admitted there had been a problem with the early ones, and never offered to repair or replace them.

If you don't believe me, check the XDA archives - you won't find single poster in the first couple of months after the HD2 launch saying "hey, my camera is fine".

djbenny1 · Mar 8, 2013

Re: HTC One may have major manufacturing issues

Shasarak said:
This does worry me a bit. What concerns me most is not the restricted number of units, it's the implications to the components in the phones that do sell.

If most of the camera sensors that come off the production line are faulty, does that mean that the ones that are judged to be okay are only barely in spec? Will this lead to high failure rates a, few months after purchase, or needing to return 2 or 3 handsets in a row till you get a "good" one? Can you even be sure if it is "good" or that the retailer will acknowledge the problem with the first one as genuine issue? That's the kind of hassle I can do without.

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Oh, and a couple of reviews have found photos blurred in the lower part of the image. I wonder if this is why?

It doesn't mention anything about faults, it just says those components are a bottleneck in production

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radiotrib · Mar 8, 2013

hamdir said:
the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers

you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop

I think you need a slight correction there Hamdir ...

HTC will be selling and shipping well before the G4 comes out .. it's only being ##announced## on 14th March, not released for sale then ...

riz157 · Mar 8, 2013

A bit worrying but at worst will be delayed by week or so for initial batch. Still be getting the htc one rather then S4 or any other smartphone as its the best smartphone out there.
S4 will be probably be selling around mid April at the earliest still one should beat it to the market and hopefully sell millions to give consumers more for their money. Push Samsung to move away from plastic and amoled since Samsung are in the position to produce far superior smartphones then they are at the moment, just means less profit per unit for them.

Take a chill pill and relax man.

Shasarak · Mar 8, 2013

djbenny1 said:
It doesn't mention anything about faults, it just says those components are a bottleneck in production

It specifically mentions "low yield rates". The "yield" is the percentage of components that come off the production line that aren't faulty. Nearly all electronic components have yields well below 100% even when things are going well: each one is tested when it's finished, and it has to pass certain checks; if not, it's thrown out.

If this story is true then it means that the percentage of camera sensors that are classed as being good enough to use is much smaller than HTC was expecting - in other words that far more of them turn out to be unuseable than they expected. That quite likely means that even the ones which pass the test only barely pass it, which may have implications for reliability or lifespan.

hamdir · Mar 8, 2013

Shasarak said:
Also worth saying that HTC has form when it comes to shipping less than perfect hardware and not admitting to it. Most HD2's sold in the month or two after launch had an absolutely galloping case of "pink spot" in the camera. After a couple of months they quietly fixed the problem, and subsequent handsets were okay; but they never admitted there had been a problem with the early ones, and never offered to repair or replace them.

If you don't believe me, check the XDA archives - you won't find single poster in the first couple of months after the HD2 launch saying "hey, my camera is fine".

the same can be said about the One X early two months I'm afraid...(and tons of other devices / brands)

riz157 · Mar 8, 2013

Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.

Shasarak · Mar 8, 2013

hamdir said:
the same can be said about the One X early two months I'm afraid...(and tons of other devices / brands)

Well, yes: HTC is certainly not the only company to do stuff like this!

hamdir · Mar 8, 2013

riz157 said:
Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.

+1

Shasarak · Mar 8, 2013

According to this: http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-availability-issues-167070/ they're looking at a 20% yield on the camera sensor - that's atrocious.

BoneXDA · Mar 8, 2013

riz157 said:
Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.

Yes but what happens if "sir/lady it may take a couple of weeks before we can get you your replace unit"?

radiotrib · Mar 8, 2013

Odd really isn't it ... you's expect a CCD with larger pixels to be easier to screen than one with more, smaller ones ... is this just another attempt to undermine by some news agency or stock trader looking for a fast buck ?? After all, if they can depress the HTC stock value ahead of te launch and buy up .. they will make a killing when it rises on the One's success ...

hamdir · Mar 8, 2013

seems some people are starting to receive their units in Europe

joschi1985 said:
First People in Germany are receiving their one already.... From Carrier o2, would have loved to provide you a short review but still have to wait for it to arrive

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radiotrib said:
Odd really isn't it ... you's expect a CCD with larger pixels to be easier to screen than one with more, smaller ones ... is this just another attempt to undermine by some news agency or stock trader looking for a fast buck ?? After all, if they can depress the HTC stock value ahead of te launch and buy up .. they will make a killing when it rises on the One's success ...

agreed this article covering the story is one of the worst, or it could be sammy's doing

riz157 · Mar 8, 2013

BoneXDA said:
Yes but what happens if "sir/lady it may take a couple of weeks before we can get you your replace unit"?

Ofcourse i wont be pleased but I've experienced that with Samsung so not a deal breaker.

Btw it's Mr I'm using my own picture in my profile.

hamdir · Mar 8, 2013

iPhone 4/5, iPad3, Sony Xperia S, Asus Nexus 7, HTC One X, Samsung SGS2 and SGS3, LG as well

all had defects in the first months of release

we discussed all this to death on the One X forum early days and now all the panic and drama are behind us

if you want to be an early adopter of a completely new product, be prepared to do some returns

(i went through three for my perfect early One X)

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