Be wary of "forcing" OTA updates using Framework Services trick, breaks stuff

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Be wary of "forcing" OTA updates using Framework Services trick, breaks stuff

I've seen this posted before in many of the "4.1.2" threads, but the info is likely to get buried in there, and since I have personally experienced this myself with my GNex, I figured I'd post this in a new thread.

The method of force stopping/clearing the data of Framework Services in the All Apps list to force any OTA to download will cause you a lot of headaches after the update. There are a couple of issues that I could see.

Firstly, ANY app (not just Google apps) that uses push notifications for anything WILL break. The only way to fix them is to either force stop/clear data from ALL of those apps (meaning you might potentially lose important app data as this basically resets the app back to when you first downloaded it), and set all of them back up again, OR to do a Factory Reset of the entire device after your device is updated.

Secondly, you will NOT be able to download apps from the Play Store weblink and "push" them to your device. The Play Store will NOT see your device anymore as it won't be in your devices list. There might be a way to fix this, but I haven't found it, aside from again, doing a Factory Reset and setting up your device from scratch. Even if I logged out/deleted my Google account, and re-logged in/re-added, this did not fix the problem.

Thirdly, Google Music/Play Store purchases of Books/Movies/Magazine/Music seem to be broken at times. Whatever the authorization process Google uses, you break it when you clear Framework Services. This happened to me once, and might have only been a one-time deal, but please be wary of this.

Now, like I've said, I've run into these issues on my Galaxy Nexus while forcing OTAs. The only way I could proceed with my newly updated device without constant Google Services/Play Store/Notification issues was to completely reset my phone and start from scratch. Now I know some people like to do this between major updates anyway, to start the device fresh, so this wouldn't apply to you anyway since you would update and then immediately Factory Reset, but if you're just planning on updating and keeping your device configured the way it is now, you will run into these issues (and potentially others that we don't know about yet).

A better idea to me would be to either wait for the OTA to be pushed automatically, or to save yourself time, flash to stock using the new factory images. Would save you a lot of time by doing that, rather than figuring out what apps broke and what you need to fix, and how to fix them.

Please be wary of this, and know the consequences if you do attempt it.
 
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I can confirm that messing with the Framework to force the OTA does muck up purchases and update of apps through Google Play.

So be advised. You'll most likely have to delete your Google account off the device and clear Google App cache, restart, the reenter you Google account info to get Google Play back to normal.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 
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Failed OTA leading to a minor disaster?

Damn and blast! I read this seconds after I did this little trick. I've not yet run the 2nd OTA... might I escape the consequences of my trusting foolishness?

I did it because the scheduled OTA failed and was aborted (said CWM Recovery) but I failed to note the exact error message. Could this have been caused by it being rooted, as little else has been done to screw the Nexus around?

Where is the update stored before it is processed? Not on 'SDcard'. Is it a full download or a stub for a later big download?
 
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Damn and blast! I read this seconds after I did this little trick. I've not yet run the 2nd OTA... might I escape the consequences of my trusting foolishness?

I did it because the scheduled OTA failed and was aborted (said CWM Recovery) but I failed to note the exact error message. Could this have been caused by it being rooted, as little else has been done to screw the Nexus around?

Where is the update stored before it is processed? Not on 'SDcard'. Is it a full download or a stub for a later big download?

Its in /cache and its about 33mb

Sent from my Jelly Nexus S
 
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i used this method and have had no issues with none of the stuff you described. Its actually running flawlessly right now. I also forced the update on my Gnote (yes not a google device, but still a android force update) with no issue.

edit: I only cleared the data, not forced stop
 
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Yep I know I, oldblue910 and others have warned people about this and it was just glossed over..

Oh well.. At least people are trying..
 

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This is how I updated mine and haven't noticed any problems. What would be a sure fire way of knowing that this method caused some problem? My account is recognized in the Play store and apply updates are recognized. Thanks.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 

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Same thing with the Nexus S about 6 months ago. Peeps trying to get the OTA early and breaking stuff on their phones. So I left well alone during the 4.1.2. update and just waited.
 

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No problems with my device being recognised on the web play store. Also reset my main apps to get notifications working properly.

All fine here :)

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 

RusherDude

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I massive forced this method to get 4.1.2 on my Nexus 7. I stopped this procces and deleted data again and again for 3 days until the update appeared.

Concretly, I had to do this trick 6 times in a row just before I got the update option.

And my device runs flawlessly, I can install from web gplay to the device, all my apps using push services hadn't a single problem, etc.

Before being that catastrophic, you'd get sure if this affects Nexus 7 or was a problem in Gnexus only..
 

ronin688

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I did this "trick" about 4 times to force the update. I did not stop the process, only cleared data.

My device seems to be running normally. I get gmail, can access the play store, and can remotely install apps from the web interface. I'll keep an eye on it though to see if I get any side effects.
 

Scythe024

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seems to be only a issue with the nexus phone since no 1 has reported having this problem with the nexus 7.
 

styckx

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I can confirm I have this problem after updating to 4.1.2

When I log into Google Play on my computer my Nexus 7 is not listed. Does anyone know an easy way to fix this?

It'll show up eventually, nothing to freak over. :) Just for preventive measures.. Remove your Google account on your phone and re-add it.. Your Nexus 7 should show back up on the Play website in less than 12hrs..
 

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It'll show up eventually, nothing to freak over. :) Just for preventive measures.. Remove your Google account on your phone and re-add it.. Your Nexus 7 should show back up on the Play website in less than 12hrs..

How do you remove the Google account on the Nexus 7?? I don't see a way to remove it, only a way to add an account.

---------- Post added at 09:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 PM ----------

It'll show up eventually, nothing to freak over. :) Just for preventive measures.. Remove your Google account on your phone and re-add it.. Your Nexus 7 should show back up on the Play website in less than 12hrs..

You're right it did show back up. All looks well now, I hope!
 

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i used this method and have had no issues with none of the stuff you described. Its actually running flawlessly right now. I also forced the update on my Gnote (yes not a google device, but still a android force update) with no issue.

edit: I only cleared the data, not forced stop

I did exactly what was said in OP and I have 0 problems.
 

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How do you remove the Google account on the Nexus 7?? I don't see a way to remove it, only a way to add an account.

---------- Post added at 09:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 PM ----------



You're right it did show back up. All looks well now, I hope!

:good:

Just for future reference.. To remove your Google account from the Tablet

Settings.. Tap on the Google account under accounts / Tap on the section with your email and little sync icon / Tap the menu button / remove account.
 

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You are incorrect here in number of points. I've done this many times and while yes, push notifications stop working for a while in some apps, they start working again soon after. What happens is that you end up removing Google connection data from your phone, this is why the device becomes lost for Google Play, why push notifications fail and so on.

The reason why many don't have any clue that this happens is that this restores itself automatically. Why? Because it still has Google Account. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESET YOUR PHONE. If you experience these problems, then just wait. Longest I had to wait for it to reset was about a day, but it generally happens much quicker.

You can speed this process up usually by visiting Play Store on your phone and just in case starting every app you have that has push notifications registered for once.

Your phone will do all the work.
 

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Haven't had any issues since I did the force update. All apps still push notifications and at the play store website my n7 is still there with all my apps.

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    Be wary of "forcing" OTA updates using Framework Services trick, breaks stuff

    I've seen this posted before in many of the "4.1.2" threads, but the info is likely to get buried in there, and since I have personally experienced this myself with my GNex, I figured I'd post this in a new thread.

    The method of force stopping/clearing the data of Framework Services in the All Apps list to force any OTA to download will cause you a lot of headaches after the update. There are a couple of issues that I could see.

    Firstly, ANY app (not just Google apps) that uses push notifications for anything WILL break. The only way to fix them is to either force stop/clear data from ALL of those apps (meaning you might potentially lose important app data as this basically resets the app back to when you first downloaded it), and set all of them back up again, OR to do a Factory Reset of the entire device after your device is updated.

    Secondly, you will NOT be able to download apps from the Play Store weblink and "push" them to your device. The Play Store will NOT see your device anymore as it won't be in your devices list. There might be a way to fix this, but I haven't found it, aside from again, doing a Factory Reset and setting up your device from scratch. Even if I logged out/deleted my Google account, and re-logged in/re-added, this did not fix the problem.

    Thirdly, Google Music/Play Store purchases of Books/Movies/Magazine/Music seem to be broken at times. Whatever the authorization process Google uses, you break it when you clear Framework Services. This happened to me once, and might have only been a one-time deal, but please be wary of this.

    Now, like I've said, I've run into these issues on my Galaxy Nexus while forcing OTAs. The only way I could proceed with my newly updated device without constant Google Services/Play Store/Notification issues was to completely reset my phone and start from scratch. Now I know some people like to do this between major updates anyway, to start the device fresh, so this wouldn't apply to you anyway since you would update and then immediately Factory Reset, but if you're just planning on updating and keeping your device configured the way it is now, you will run into these issues (and potentially others that we don't know about yet).

    A better idea to me would be to either wait for the OTA to be pushed automatically, or to save yourself time, flash to stock using the new factory images. Would save you a lot of time by doing that, rather than figuring out what apps broke and what you need to fix, and how to fix them.

    Please be wary of this, and know the consequences if you do attempt it.
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    You are incorrect here in number of points. I've done this many times and while yes, push notifications stop working for a while in some apps, they start working again soon after. What happens is that you end up removing Google connection data from your phone, this is why the device becomes lost for Google Play, why push notifications fail and so on.

    The reason why many don't have any clue that this happens is that this restores itself automatically. Why? Because it still has Google Account. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESET YOUR PHONE. If you experience these problems, then just wait. Longest I had to wait for it to reset was about a day, but it generally happens much quicker.

    You can speed this process up usually by visiting Play Store on your phone and just in case starting every app you have that has push notifications registered for once.

    Your phone will do all the work.
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    ...There's really no reason not to be on a custom ROM on here. They are all so stable. Especially now with cyanogen monthlies. Its not like with sense or touchwiz devices where there's always some wacky bugs and minor things that don't work.

    That makes no sense and is a very foolish statement.

    One of the main reasons why people want custom roms is on devices that have less-than-stellar android experiences. This is why people install AOSP based ROMs. And of course many prefer CM in general. But with the Nexus line, you are given a pure and vanilla environment. For many, that's more of a reason NOT to install custom roms and keep things stock.
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    I can confirm that messing with the Framework to force the OTA does muck up purchases and update of apps through Google Play.

    So be advised. You'll most likely have to delete your Google account off the device and clear Google App cache, restart, the reenter you Google account info to get Google Play back to normal.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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    Yep- found out the hard way about this & ended up doing a factory reset because I couldn't update apps no matter what. Good news is, now I'll take the opportunity to doe the 4.4 update! ;)

    Its definitely not worth it when you can update quickly and easily once the factory images are released.

    http://www.talkandroid.com/185088-google-engineer-explains-why-you-shouldnt-clear-google-services-framework-data/